Forgiveness .....

In Jesus' transitional prayer "the Lord's prayer",
He is actually highlighting understandings and abilities we lack under the Law.
Jesus actually brings out the consequences of non-performance :

"... if you don't forgive others, then your Father won't forgive you... " M6:15

These words might set your mind in an honourable direction but
you can't achieve it apart from surrendering to His Enabling Grace in you.

Jesus is speaking these things before His Sacrifice, that is, pre-Cross.
Holy Spirit speaks so differently after the "ONCE for ALL" sacrifice of Jesus, i.e. post-Cross.

" ..... as Christ FORGAVE you, so forgive others ..... " E4:32;C3:13

Forgiveness is not attained
by a confession system,
by a learning system,
or a sacrifice system;

FORGIVEN IS (totally and permanently) YOUR REALITY.

Pre-Cross : my forgiveness was "EARNT" by forgiving others ......
Post-Cross : my forgiveness has been GIFTED to me .....
from and in this Grace I am enabled to forgive myself and others.

[affirmations from Andrew Farley in "God Not Religion".]

And the heretick is ......

Titus3:1-11

Remind them to submit to rulers and authorities. They should be obedient and ready to do every good thing. They shouldn’t speak disrespectfully about anyone, but they should be peaceful, kind, and show complete courtesy toward everyone.

We were once foolish, disobedient, deceived, and slaves to our desires and various pleasures too. We were spending our lives in evil behavior and jealousy. We were disgusting, and we hated other people. But

“when God our savior’s kindness and love appeared,
he saved us because of his mercy,
not because of righteous things we had done.
He did it through the washing of new birth and the renewing by the Holy Spirit,
which God poured out upon us generously through Jesus Christ our savior.
So, since we have been made righteous by his grace,
we can inherit the hope for eternal life.”

This saying [above] is reliable.
And I want you to insist on these things,
so that those who have come to believe in God might give careful attention to doing good.
These things are good and useful for everyone.

Avoid stupid controversies, genealogies, and fights about the Law, 
because they are useless and worthless.
After a first and second warning, 
have nothing more to do with a person who causes conflict,
because you know that someone like this is twisted and sinful—
so they condemn themselves. (CEB)
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But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law;
for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself. (KJV)
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Warn a quarrelsome person once or twice, but then be done with him.
It's obvious that such a person is out of line, rebellious against God.  
By persisting in divisiveness he cuts himself off.  (MSG)
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But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law,
for they are unprofitable and worthless. (NASB)
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Do not get involved in foolish discussions about spiritual pedigrees or in quarrels and fights about obedience to Jewish laws. These things are useless and a waste of time. If people are causing divisions among you, give a first and second warning. After that, have nothing more to do with them. For people like that have turned away from the truth, and their own sins condemn them. (NLT)
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AND THE HERETICK IS ......

...... the one NOT aligning to the RELIABLE SAYING ....


...... the one fighting about [the need for] obedience to Old Testament Laws, etc. 
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[part of the reliable saying is :

"..... we are Righteous by His Grace, we Inherit the Hope for Eternal Life.”]
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[ in a perversion, some legalistic groups reject people who insist on the reliable saying ... lol .... ]

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By this .....

Jesus said even the O.T. law was headed by 2 commandments to love;
with self effort Lev.19 commands Israel,
to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and strength;
and to love your neighbour as yourself.
Also, to do unto others as you would have them do to you.


But now Jesus wants us to find and experience how Loved we are in His Grace,
and then we can operate in and transmit this Love to ALL others. (J13)(1J3)
The prodigal Father welcomes us into His Life without reservation.

No self effort and assessment required, but only sweet surrender to the Love
that Holy Spirit has deposited in our hearts.
Holy Spirit convinces us of the amazing implications in the Grace that is Jesus.
Holy Spirit fruit and gifts, without effort, in all our relationships, with joy.

The law might judge the unbelievers of the Gospel of Grace,
but the NT only advises believers of what is beautiful for us in this life.
(all things are permissible but not beneficial ... (1Cor6 + 10)
One is absolutely redeemed by the effort of Jesus,
the believer can not achieve or nullify their salvation by any set of rules.

Nice advice:
I live to worship, in worship I live!
WORSHIP (Greek) can mean "to blow love kisses".
(the start of sweet surrender).
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Generated into Being.....

ref. J1:14-18

"The Word became flesh and tabernacled among us.
We observed His glory,
the glory as the One and Only Son, from the Father,
full of grace and truth." (HCSB)

"Indeed, every one of us has shared in His riches—

there is a Grace in our lives because of His Grace". (vs16 - Philips) 

"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."(KJV)

[i.e.  a man wanted rules to be justified by, but God (as a man) delivered Grace-Truth]

Therefore the law was not God’s Grace-Truth!

A NEW STATE came into being when Jesus generated Grace.
 

The greek verb translated “came” is ginomai 
pronounced ghin - om - ah- ee; ....[ ha hee !] 

it means: to generate into being.

John(= Graciousness of God) only uses this word twice in his book;

the other occasion, when Daddy God speaks audibly to the crowd (included Greeks)

"I have both glorified it (His Name), and will glorify it again."

Jesus answers the crowds' dismay with:

“This voice "came" not because of me, but for your sakes.”J12:30

The greek verb translated “given” is didomee; [did o' me !]

it has a meaning connected by: hand, strike, suffer.

The Law was handed under sufferance by Moses 

but GRACE-TRUTH WAS GENERATED INTO BEING by Jesus Christ.

GRACE is our COMPLETELY NEW STATE OF BEING in HIM. 
[wow ya yay]

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Stop turning His Love Language into performance threats.

Recently i tweeted:
"Now is a good time to stop turning the Love Language of Jesus in N.T.
into demonic threats about our performance ------
*He is our Betrothed Husband and He Loves Us (far above human love)*"

If you find a N.T. scripture that threatens your New Nature,
you are experiencing it from the indoctrination of your dead nature.

Jesus is Absolutely Good and His Cascading Love never gives up on us.
Our wedding is a certainty, it is on!, no matter what you think about your performance.
Love and Trust Jesus, He is always more than you have been thinking.

Here are some affirming understandings from Steve Thompson:
When Jesus corrected his followers, he did it with non threatening body language.

Look at the use of the word "turned" in M16:23 and L9:55 .
"Peter took Jesus and rebuked Him."
(easy to picture the rebuker taking someone by the shoulders, yes?)
"But Jesus turned, and said to Peter ..."
He turned His back to Peter so the condemnation
was not aimed at Peter but the devil spirit.

Similarly in the James and John (sons of thunder) interaction.
The amped up performance before Jesus, "We'll call down fire".
"But Jesus turned, and rebuked them,
"You know not what manner of spirit you are of,
I am an enlivener not a destroyer"

[[even during the bad competitive argument of "who shall be greatest"
Jesus turns His attention to the little children.]]

Jesus would not allow His Face to be associated with any condemnation.

[[Jesus is happy with anything you realise in Him.]]

Danny Steyne - Revelatory Stream - (I really like listening to him).

"No Revelation in flesh and blood;
ONLY in the Revelatory Stream from Heaven.
It is Peter "tapping in" that excited Jesus when Peter answered:
"You are the Messiah".

Jesus healed ALL because
He heard His Father,
Loved this fallen people,
and "Saw" personal need."

"Jesus did nothing except by the Revelation of Daddy God and
the power of Holy Spirit.
When Jesus said "tell no one",
He wanted the Revelation to be most important,
rather than making an idol of the process or the person.
There are no idols in one on one teaching, healing, (etc),
only Revelation from the Word (= Jesus)."

"The "proceeding word" in 1C14:30
moves into a "revealed word" in the next one
who is prompted further in the revelation
which promotes the revelatory stream wherein we need to operate.
Revelation is always best.
Hear from His Spirit then move."

It is out of your inner most being (belly)
that the rivers of living water move from Heaven to Earth.
Listen for your revelation and fulfill the mantle Jesus gives you.
I will be a fool at all times because i know He uses foolish things, hahe.
One's mantle may be required anytime.
Kingdom never seems to happen at a "convenient" time.

"That which required faith yesterday becomes experience today.
Once you have have high dived into a tank of water,
our next faith step should be to high dive into an empty tank
and expect God to fill it up on the way down!!!"

"We are all able to heal.
In James5, the elders are not the healers, particularly.
They can be facilitators to people who need breakthrough in healing ability."

[Danny illustrates extensively by true stories. I haven't included these due to lack of recorded detail].

Graham Cooke - 1st time in Brisbane.

"Welcome, I'm a recovering pharisee,...
I haven't judged anyone for w years, x months, y days and z minutes!.......
This IS a pharisee's anonymous meeting, right? "

So starts the first of 4 sessions the hungry ones have with Graham.

He relates a dream given to him when his prophetic gift seemed very unappreciated and ineffectual.
*** An old man drove him around a city in an old and very uncomfortable car ...
as the old man drove, he would yell out the window a tirade of abuse against the defeated people he would see on the streets. (that dream was not, I thought, very helpful)
In the next dream had the same old man with a new car with a monochrome interior.
As he drove he pointed to the people and pointed out their sin but added we now have a program for each of their sin types. (that dream again was not helpful to my state of mind)
The next dream had a new driver, a new bright red car and a sat. nav. (before there were sat navs!).
The young man drives through a black and white world of people.
He shouts out through the window at these people.
He tells them who they are in the Kingdom, what is their true identity here and there.
They change from a glum black and white to a joyous full colour.****

Jesus is not concerned with our behaviours, He only wants us to know who we are in HIM.
Dream 1 : an attitude that focuses on the faults people need to clean up themselves.
Dream 2 : a helping focus on the faults that need to be cleaned up through problem management programmes.
Dream 3 : a focus on the NEW nature Jesus has totally changed us into.

Our old nature is absolutely crucified in Jesus who died as you on the cross.
You are dead to your old fallen nature and now DEDICATED to His NEW Nature in you.
It is not Jesus plus your old nature.
A focus on your dead nature only tries to raise it - which gets pretty weird!
It is not past/present old nature improvement.
It is identifying your present/future NEW nature in you right now.
There is nothing lacking about your New nature in Him.
We might need pastoral care to prophetically call out our new identity.
Just look what Sam started in Dave !
Dave takes the Goliath challenge because he believes what Sam spoke over him.