Celebrate - His cherished love dream - Come on

His grace-plan is to be celebrated:
He greatly endeared us and highly favored us in Christ;
His love for His Son is His love for us.  .....

His forgiving us our sins measures the wealth of His grace.

This grace shown towards us communicates
a wisdom and discernment of OUR WORTH
that completely surpasses any definition.

His cherished love-dream now unfolds in front of our very eyes.

Speaks better things .....

The blood of Jesus,  “speaks better things”
than that of Abel.  (H12)

Abel’s blood cried out,
“Vengeance! Vengeance!”
after his brother Cain murdered him. (G4)

Jesus’ blood cries out

"our forgiveness!"
"our righteousness!"

in Christ.

The eternal blood of Jesus,
which speaks better things,
will never lose its power.

Hear this Voice of Grace.

Which confirms totally :
our salvation,
our righteousness,
our protection,
our deliverance,
our prosperity,
our healing.

So, we are not shaken,
when the Earth and Heavens are shaken. (Ha2)
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Whatsoever things are ....

He adds you into his most excellent harmonies.


Fill your meditations on things:

authentic and beautiful .....


blessed and compelling ..... 

excellent and gracious .....


God guards your heart .


Contemplate on things :

honorable and just .....


kind and lovable .....


lovely and noble .....

pure and reputable .....


revered and true .....


His Peace surpasses what you can think.


Fill your thoughts on these things .....

(P4)

Forgiveness .....

In Jesus' transitional prayer "the Lord's prayer",
He is actually highlighting understandings and abilities we lack under the Law.
Jesus actually brings out the consequences of non-performance :

"... if you don't forgive others, then your Father won't forgive you... " M6:15

These words might set your mind in an honourable direction but
you can't achieve it apart from surrendering to His Enabling Grace in you.

Jesus is speaking these things before His Sacrifice, that is, pre-Cross.
Holy Spirit speaks so differently after the "ONCE for ALL" sacrifice of Jesus, i.e. post-Cross.

" ..... as Christ FORGAVE you, so forgive others ..... " E4:32;C3:13

Forgiveness is not attained
by a confession system,
by a learning system,
or a sacrifice system;

FORGIVEN IS (totally and permanently) YOUR REALITY.

Pre-Cross : my forgiveness was "EARNT" by forgiving others ......
Post-Cross : my forgiveness has been GIFTED to me .....
from and in this Grace I am enabled to forgive myself and others.

[affirmations from Andrew Farley in "God Not Religion".]

And the heretick is ......

Titus3:1-11

Remind them to submit to rulers and authorities. They should be obedient and ready to do every good thing. They shouldn’t speak disrespectfully about anyone, but they should be peaceful, kind, and show complete courtesy toward everyone.

We were once foolish, disobedient, deceived, and slaves to our desires and various pleasures too. We were spending our lives in evil behavior and jealousy. We were disgusting, and we hated other people. But

“when God our savior’s kindness and love appeared,
he saved us because of his mercy,
not because of righteous things we had done.
He did it through the washing of new birth and the renewing by the Holy Spirit,
which God poured out upon us generously through Jesus Christ our savior.
So, since we have been made righteous by his grace,
we can inherit the hope for eternal life.”

This saying [above] is reliable.
And I want you to insist on these things,
so that those who have come to believe in God might give careful attention to doing good.
These things are good and useful for everyone.

Avoid stupid controversies, genealogies, and fights about the Law, 
because they are useless and worthless.
After a first and second warning, 
have nothing more to do with a person who causes conflict,
because you know that someone like this is twisted and sinful—
so they condemn themselves. (CEB)
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But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law;
for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself. (KJV)
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Warn a quarrelsome person once or twice, but then be done with him.
It's obvious that such a person is out of line, rebellious against God.  
By persisting in divisiveness he cuts himself off.  (MSG)
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But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law,
for they are unprofitable and worthless. (NASB)
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Do not get involved in foolish discussions about spiritual pedigrees or in quarrels and fights about obedience to Jewish laws. These things are useless and a waste of time. If people are causing divisions among you, give a first and second warning. After that, have nothing more to do with them. For people like that have turned away from the truth, and their own sins condemn them. (NLT)
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AND THE HERETICK IS ......

...... the one NOT aligning to the RELIABLE SAYING ....


...... the one fighting about [the need for] obedience to Old Testament Laws, etc. 
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[part of the reliable saying is :

"..... we are Righteous by His Grace, we Inherit the Hope for Eternal Life.”]
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[ in a perversion, some legalistic groups reject people who insist on the reliable saying ... lol .... ]

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By this .....

Jesus said even the O.T. law was headed by 2 commandments to love;
with self effort Lev.19 commands Israel,
to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and strength;
and to love your neighbour as yourself.
Also, to do unto others as you would have them do to you.


But now Jesus wants us to find and experience how Loved we are in His Grace,
and then we can operate in and transmit this Love to ALL others. (J13)(1J3)
The prodigal Father welcomes us into His Life without reservation.

No self effort and assessment required, but only sweet surrender to the Love
that Holy Spirit has deposited in our hearts.
Holy Spirit convinces us of the amazing implications in the Grace that is Jesus.
Holy Spirit fruit and gifts, without effort, in all our relationships, with joy.

The law might judge the unbelievers of the Gospel of Grace,
but the NT only advises believers of what is beautiful for us in this life.
(all things are permissible but not beneficial ... (1Cor6 + 10)
One is absolutely redeemed by the effort of Jesus,
the believer can not achieve or nullify their salvation by any set of rules.

Nice advice:
I live to worship, in worship I live!
WORSHIP (Greek) can mean "to blow love kisses".
(the start of sweet surrender).
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Generated into Being.....

ref. J1:14-18

"The Word became flesh and tabernacled among us.
We observed His glory,
the glory as the One and Only Son, from the Father,
full of grace and truth." (HCSB)

"Indeed, every one of us has shared in His riches—

there is a Grace in our lives because of His Grace". (vs16 - Philips) 

"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."(KJV)

[i.e.  a man wanted rules to be justified by, but God (as a man) delivered Grace-Truth]

Therefore the law was not God’s Grace-Truth!

A NEW STATE came into being when Jesus generated Grace.
 

The greek verb translated “came” is ginomai 
pronounced ghin - om - ah- ee; ....[ ha hee !] 

it means: to generate into being.

John(= Graciousness of God) only uses this word twice in his book;

the other occasion, when Daddy God speaks audibly to the crowd (included Greeks)

"I have both glorified it (His Name), and will glorify it again."

Jesus answers the crowds' dismay with:

“This voice "came" not because of me, but for your sakes.”J12:30

The greek verb translated “given” is didomee; [did o' me !]

it has a meaning connected by: hand, strike, suffer.

The Law was handed under sufferance by Moses 

but GRACE-TRUTH WAS GENERATED INTO BEING by Jesus Christ.

GRACE is our COMPLETELY NEW STATE OF BEING in HIM. 
[wow ya yay]

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Stop turning His Love Language into performance threats.

Recently i tweeted:
"Now is a good time to stop turning the Love Language of Jesus in N.T.
into demonic threats about our performance ------
*He is our Betrothed Husband and He Loves Us (far above human love)*"

If you find a N.T. scripture that threatens your New Nature,
you are experiencing it from the indoctrination of your dead nature.

Jesus is Absolutely Good and His Cascading Love never gives up on us.
Our wedding is a certainty, it is on!, no matter what you think about your performance.
Love and Trust Jesus, He is always more than you have been thinking.

Here are some affirming understandings from Steve Thompson:
When Jesus corrected his followers, he did it with non threatening body language.

Look at the use of the word "turned" in M16:23 and L9:55 .
"Peter took Jesus and rebuked Him."
(easy to picture the rebuker taking someone by the shoulders, yes?)
"But Jesus turned, and said to Peter ..."
He turned His back to Peter so the condemnation
was not aimed at Peter but the devil spirit.

Similarly in the James and John (sons of thunder) interaction.
The amped up performance before Jesus, "We'll call down fire".
"But Jesus turned, and rebuked them,
"You know not what manner of spirit you are of,
I am an enlivener not a destroyer"

[[even during the bad competitive argument of "who shall be greatest"
Jesus turns His attention to the little children.]]

Jesus would not allow His Face to be associated with any condemnation.

[[Jesus is happy with anything you realise in Him.]]

Danny Steyne - Revelatory Stream - (I really like listening to him).

"No Revelation in flesh and blood;
ONLY in the Revelatory Stream from Heaven.
It is Peter "tapping in" that excited Jesus when Peter answered:
"You are the Messiah".

Jesus healed ALL because
He heard His Father,
Loved this fallen people,
and "Saw" personal need."

"Jesus did nothing except by the Revelation of Daddy God and
the power of Holy Spirit.
When Jesus said "tell no one",
He wanted the Revelation to be most important,
rather than making an idol of the process or the person.
There are no idols in one on one teaching, healing, (etc),
only Revelation from the Word (= Jesus)."

"The "proceeding word" in 1C14:30
moves into a "revealed word" in the next one
who is prompted further in the revelation
which promotes the revelatory stream wherein we need to operate.
Revelation is always best.
Hear from His Spirit then move."

It is out of your inner most being (belly)
that the rivers of living water move from Heaven to Earth.
Listen for your revelation and fulfill the mantle Jesus gives you.
I will be a fool at all times because i know He uses foolish things, hahe.
One's mantle may be required anytime.
Kingdom never seems to happen at a "convenient" time.

"That which required faith yesterday becomes experience today.
Once you have have high dived into a tank of water,
our next faith step should be to high dive into an empty tank
and expect God to fill it up on the way down!!!"

"We are all able to heal.
In James5, the elders are not the healers, particularly.
They can be facilitators to people who need breakthrough in healing ability."

[Danny illustrates extensively by true stories. I haven't included these due to lack of recorded detail].

Graham Cooke - 1st time in Brisbane.

"Welcome, I'm a recovering pharisee,...
I haven't judged anyone for w years, x months, y days and z minutes!.......
This IS a pharisee's anonymous meeting, right? "

So starts the first of 4 sessions the hungry ones have with Graham.

He relates a dream given to him when his prophetic gift seemed very unappreciated and ineffectual.
*** An old man drove him around a city in an old and very uncomfortable car ...
as the old man drove, he would yell out the window a tirade of abuse against the defeated people he would see on the streets. (that dream was not, I thought, very helpful)
In the next dream had the same old man with a new car with a monochrome interior.
As he drove he pointed to the people and pointed out their sin but added we now have a program for each of their sin types. (that dream again was not helpful to my state of mind)
The next dream had a new driver, a new bright red car and a sat. nav. (before there were sat navs!).
The young man drives through a black and white world of people.
He shouts out through the window at these people.
He tells them who they are in the Kingdom, what is their true identity here and there.
They change from a glum black and white to a joyous full colour.****

Jesus is not concerned with our behaviours, He only wants us to know who we are in HIM.
Dream 1 : an attitude that focuses on the faults people need to clean up themselves.
Dream 2 : a helping focus on the faults that need to be cleaned up through problem management programmes.
Dream 3 : a focus on the NEW nature Jesus has totally changed us into.

Our old nature is absolutely crucified in Jesus who died as you on the cross.
You are dead to your old fallen nature and now DEDICATED to His NEW Nature in you.
It is not Jesus plus your old nature.
A focus on your dead nature only tries to raise it - which gets pretty weird!
It is not past/present old nature improvement.
It is identifying your present/future NEW nature in you right now.
There is nothing lacking about your New nature in Him.
We might need pastoral care to prophetically call out our new identity.
Just look what Sam started in Dave !
Dave takes the Goliath challenge because he believes what Sam spoke over him.

Party time in The Safe Place

".... Home is not a heavenly mansion in the afterlife
but a safe place right in the midst of our anxious world."
Abba and Emanuelle live in me. J14

Jesus has freed "ALL those held in slavery
all their lives by the fear of death." H2
[our entertainment mostly feeds off, and reinforces, this fear].

The gospel of Freedom proclaims that death is an illusion,
a phantom, the bogeyman of little children.
Death is simply a transition into the one experience
worthy of the name Life.

Here is the root of our Joy and Mirth.

"We ought to be celebrating constantly.
We ought to be preoccupied with
parties, banquets, feasts, and merriment.
We ought to give ourselves over
to veritable orgies of Joy because we have been liberated
from the fear of Life and the fear of death.
We ought to attract people to the church quite literally
by the fun there is in being [Abba's children]." - Robert Hotchkins"

from "The Ragamuffin Gospel" by Brennan Manning.

IT IS A JOYFUL GRACE SAME * Jesus Christ the same forever *

the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. R13 

He has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame [His Grace performs this] 
before him in love [to be made whole and holy by His Love (MT)]. E4

If your leaders don't appreciate the finished work of Grace,
please, don't encourage their rule over you by appreciating them !

"Appreciate your pastoral leaders who gave you the Word of God.
Take a good look at the way they live,
and let their faithfulness instruct you, as well as their truthfulness.
There should be a consistency that runs through us all.
For Jesus doesn't change—
yesterday, today, tomorrow, he's always totally himself.
Don't be lured away from him by the latest speculations about him.
The Grace of Christ is the only good ground for life." H13:7-9

Now, I never think of that short time period of Israel under the Law
as anywhere near indicative of Jehovah!
Israel left Moses to it saying "anything He wants we will do it!"
then went and worshiped a golden calf.
Jesus Christ "the same yesterday, today, forever"
means we have BEEN MADE righteous
by His Gracious Sacrifice on the Cross
so He can be in Love, be at Peace and be Overjoyed with us.


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John Crowder - It IS Him not you .....

"You are perfect in Him
 

You are chosen in Him, 

you are predestined from the foundation of the world in Him.

Just remind your neighbor – you’re a sign and you’re a wonder.
Altogether lovely, there is no flaw in you.
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You’re beautiful, you’ve been baptized into his beauty.
You’ve been baptized into his fullness and his power.
You’re not seeking him anymore, He is your Siamese twin.
You’re not chasing him anymore, he’s chased you down.
You’re not pressing in anymore, you’ve been pressed into.
You’re not contending anymore, you’ve been contended for.
You’re not wrestling anymore, you’ve been roped and hog-tied, bagged and dragged.

You are one with the Trinity – you have been woven into the Trinitarian life. 

You have been wrapped into that centrifuge of other-giving love of the Trinity. 

You have been woven forever in him.

Did you know there is no God apart from humanity? 

Did you know that?
He has forever identified himself as the Incarnate one.
There is forever a human being sitting in the middle of the Trinity.
 

He has woven himself together with you and humanity, 

you have been grafted into the Godhead, 

He could not give you anything more or you’d be a threat to the Trinity!
Do you realize what you’ve got here?

You’re wacking a lot of ding dong, youre packing a lotta glory, 

you’re packing the fullllllneesssss!

Aren’t you glad it’s not up to us to press into the fullness? 

Aren’t you glad the fullness does not come progressively? 

Aren’t you glad that time and effort doesn’t give you the fullness, 

but the broken body of Jesus does?"

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Salvation Assured in Jesus Christ and His Finished Work on the Cross

Jesus IS my salvation. J10:9;A4:12
In His Mercy, He gave me a future. T3:5
His Immense Love is shown for me. J3:16
Jesus on The Cross is the Power of God to the redeemed me. 1C1:18
Christ's Blood justifies me. R5:9
Jesus' Resurrection gives me Life. R5:10 
The Grace of Jesus qualifies me by His Faithfulness. E2:18;T2:11
Trust Jesus (The Word made flesh). A16:31;E1:13
Believe Jesus and be baptised. M16
Confess that Jesus Christ is the Supreme Authority. R10:9
Call upon His Reputation that He is my champion. A2:21;R10:13
God appointed me to salvation through Jesus Christ. 1T5:9
He has sanctified me through His Spirit. R8:15;2T2:13
Jesus influences me to the end. H5:9;M10:22 
God my Saviour's will IS to include me in His Family. 1Ti2:4

My Salvation is completely Qualified for and Guaranteed by my Christ.
I now continually enjoy being empowered and blessed by ALL
He has for me to experience, in His Liberty.

( We can not grow in completeness... 
We can only grow in knowledge ...
we are already complete in Christ. - du Toit )

wait for the gift my Father promised .....

Holy Spirit IS The Gift. He is the Empower-er. 

wait for the gift my Father promised, ......

John baptized with water, but in only a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” .....

you shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit is come upon you... Acts1

And when the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in the same place. And suddenly a sound like a violent rushing wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 

Before their eyes appeared tongues like flames which separated off and settled above the head of each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them ability to speak out. Acts2

[power (abilities) from Holy Spirit to speak His Word of Grace to liberate people, heal the sick, work miracles, overcome evil, be filled with love, joy, courage, peace and much more by His Grace.] 

[This post : Your spiritual language is an important indicator and establishes you in your journey with The Comforter.]:-

And these signs will follow those who believe: .......  they will speak with new tongues ..... Mark 16:17 

... amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit was being poured out on Gentiles also; for they heard them speaking in foreign tongues and glorifying God.  Acts10

“Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”                                                                                                                              “No”, they replied, “we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”...... 

when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them and they began to speak with tongues and with the inspiration of prophets. Acts19 

For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, ......

I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; ......

What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding.

He who speaks in an (unknown to self) tongue edifies himself, ......... 1Cor14

[when you come together] :-

... the Holy Spirit, inspires these abilities to each person individually [exactly] as He chooses.

... to another various kinds of [unknown] tongues,

For the spirits of the prophets (the speakers in tongues) are under the speaker's control [and subject to being silenced as may be necessary],

Thus [unknown] tongues are meant for a [supernatural] sign, .... 

..... do not forbid or hinder speaking in [unknown] tongues.

1Cor12+14

But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, Jude 1:20 

[Purity of communication speaking in the language given by Holy Spirit ..... ] :-

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AgooPao - Mirror Translation

Love is who you are!

1Cor13:
:1 Speaking in tongues is not the [centre]; Love is. 

It is neither angelic eloquence 

nor mastery of human language that persuades; 

it doesn't matter how poetic, 

prophetic or profound I may sound; 

my conversation... is reduced to the hollow sound 

of clanging brass cymbals if love’s echo is absent. 

(The Greek word for the love of God is, agape, from agoo, 

to lead like a shepherd guides his sheep, and pao, to rest; 

"he leads me beside still waters" Ps 23. 

By the waters of reflection my soul remembers who I am.)

:2 I could predict the future in detail 

and have a word of knowledge for everyone. 

I could possess amazing faith, 

and prove it by moving mountains! 

It doesn’t make me any more important than anyone else. 

Love is who you are! 

You are not defined by your gift or deeds.

:3 Love is not about defending a point of view; 

even if I am prepared to give away everything I have 

and die a martyr’s death; 

love does not have to prove itself 
by acts of supreme devotion or self sacrifice!

:4 Love is large in being passionate about life 

and relentlessly patient in bearing 

the offenses and injuries of others with kindness. 

Love is completely content and strives for nothing. 

Love has no desire to make others feel inferior 

and has no need to sing its own praises.

:5 Love is predictable and does not behave out of character. 

Love is not ambitious. 

Love is not spiteful 

(Greek, it has no sharp or edges) 

and takes no inventory of evil. 

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Brennan Manning - All is Grace

"Some have labeled by my message one of "cheap grace". 

In my younger days, their accusations were a gauntlet thrown down, a challenge. 

But I'm an old man now and I don't care...

My life is a witness to vulgar grace-

a grace that amazes as it offends." -Brennan Manning

 

I just did a search for Brennan Manning in itunes. There are 9 podcasts and 16 lectures available to download for FREE. His lecture series at our church has really blessed me and his voice makes his words come to life. His passion cannot come through the written page like it does through his voice. I just wanted to pass that along. - Jill Sonnek(Facebook)

"We should be astonished at the goodness of God, stunned that He should bother to call us by name, our mouths wide open at His love, bewildered that at this very moment we are standing on holy ground." — Brennan Manning (The Ragamuffin Gospel)

 Author of :

All is Grace

Lion and Lamb: The Relentless Tenderness of Jesus

The Ragamuffin Gospel 

The Importance of Being Foolish 

The Furious Longing of God

+++ " I wish for you the awakening I experienced many years ago during a spiritual sojourn in the Saragossa Desert in Spain. One night I went to the chapel to pray. The world was asleep, but my heart was awake to the Lord and I stood at the crucifix for a long time.  Then in faith, I heard Jesus Christ say, "For love of you,  I left my Father's side and I came to you, who ran from Me, who fled Me, who did not want to hear My Name. For love of you, I was covered with spit and punched and beaten and fixed to the wood of the cross." I figuratively saw blood streaming from every wound and every pore in Christ's body. And I heard the cry of His Blood, "This isn't a joke. It is not a laughing matter to Me that I Loved you." The longer I looked, the more I realized that no man has ever loved me, and no woman could ever love me, as He DOES. I went out into the darkness and shouted into the night, "Jesus, are You crazy? Are You out of Your Mind to have loved me so much?"" (from The Ragamuffin Gospel) http://brennanmanning.com/

Close your Eyes Drop into the Centre of your Grace Being Make a profound act of faith in the indwelling presence of Jesus within your heart and now simply let yourself be Loved as you ARE and not as you should be. +++

 

"He Loves Me" by Wayne Jacobsen ... good read for men and everyone else !

"Church!
Why would I ever go there ?
I was already feeling terrible about my self.
They'd just make me feel worse."

By giving humans freedom of will
the Creator has chosen to limit His own power.

Humans independently chose to have a go
at judging "right and wrong"
encouraged by satan who said it would make them more God-like!
(devil will always give you "noble" reasons for your self)

Elohim (lacking nothing, and secure in His Love Community)
does not want the forced obedience of slaves.
He desires the voluntary love and unity
with those that Love Him only for Him.

God knows that love can flourish only where trust does,
and real trust emerges where people are free to reject it.

Sin and its nature relates to grabbing for ourselves
what God thinks would be best left alone.
Complete Joy, Happiness, Laughter, Mirth, Fun for us, is in His Love.
His Grace has made the way in His Desire for us to re-engage Him.

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Quicks

"Great minds discuss ideas;
Average minds discuss events;
Small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

"Every time you criticize someone, you condemn yourself." ... R2

God is not disillusioned with you. He had no illusions about you in the first place. - Gerald Coates

Grace exists not to make us successful. God's Grace exists to point people to a Love like no love they have known. Love outside the lines. ~Yaconelli

Your Universe is expanding faster and faster ..............
(from experiment by Aus Astronomer Nobel Laureate)

"The Lesson Plan", a doco where Ron Jones does a ~3 day experiment on his 1967 History class to show how dictators could rise up - self-interest, the need to belong, gossip and punishment were keys - the results surprised them all.

weltschmerz \VELT-shmerts\: - Sentimental pessimism; sorrow that 1 feels and accepts as one's necessary portion in life.................. hahe! not in True Jesus

His intrigue goes on - scientists have found particles that are faster than light .....

coming to an end of one's religious self-sufficiency is the start of one's "process" to an understanding of true Grace .....

been told there are ~4,000 living languages (used today) and an estimated ~29,000 dead languages ... i am fluent in ~2 live ones, one is much Livelier than the other.... hahe

The focus is on     **Living in Christ*** ..... not dieing to self ...... that is where the Bliss abides ... yes

"Unbelieving" intellectuals and politicians use "spiritual" descriptors often,  especially when they can't understand what's going on !

Religious control turns blessing to obligation, turns encouragement to expectation, turns love to fear. ....................... Only Blessing, Encouragement, Love in Jesus

Now is a good time to stop turning the Love Language of Jesus 

into demonic threats about our performance and our worthiness - 

He has absolutely settled it, He is our Betrothed and He Loves Us  ... Yes

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Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth

... rightly dividing the word of truth.......2T2
[....use words that lead to the Heart of Daddy God and to the Trust in Jesus ... ]


Self-will can't apply the Word of Truth.
Ask The Comforter to show His Will for the Word of Truth.
Be sensitive for His answer.

One basic understanding is essential.
We need to divide the Old Testament based on discipline by rules
from the New Testament justification by faith in Jesus Christ.

OT was "forgive so you can be forgiven."
NT  IS    "you are forgiven so forgive."

OT : "I am sent only to the House of Israel".
NT : "God so loved the world".
Both occur in the accounts of Jesus before the time of the Cross.
Only the ones defined by His Inclusive Grace stand forever.

OT : Repentence will bring you to the goodness of God.
NT : The Goodness of God will change your mind about Him.

OT : Hey Moses whatever God wants of us for righteousness, 
        "we will do it".
NT : We have been qualified for Righteousness by what
         HAS BEEN DONE in the SON of MAN.

Our inheritance has always been in the promises given to Abraham.
That time period during the exodus
from Egypt(fallen world) to Mt Sinai(rules) for the nation, Israel,
was a snapshot of Grace,
God loved and provided even though they sinned.

Jesus was never forsaken by His Father.
"...It was God [personally present] in Christ,
reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, .... "2C5

Jesus on the Cross verbalised and demonstrated
how forsaken was mankind before His Gift of Grace.

WOW!!!

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It only takes a remnant in Christ for world change ...

Lance Wallnau - exponent of the 7 Mountains of influence in the nations.
Lance uses the arena scene from the movie "Gladiator" to illustrate how even an atmosphere in a natural colliseum can be changed when the remnant act as one.
He reminds us that the supernatural needs fruit in the natural otherwise it is invisible to the nations.
Discipling Nations requires teaching.
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, ... M28


(satan deceives nations by whatever blinding veil he can find.)


[[[ ... having gone, then, disciple all the nations,(Young)
So wherever you go, make disciples of all nations:(God's Word)
Teach them to do all the things I have told you.(New Life)
... teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you;(NKJV)
... teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have enjoined you.(Darby)....  

..... disciple is from the Greek term maqhthv" (matheˉteˉs)
refers generally to any “student,” “pupil,” “apprentice,” or “adherent,”
... as opposed to a “teacher.”   .......

.... it is a different word from that for discipline = paideía
= cultivation of the soul by correcting mistakes and misapplied passions - 
... it has punishment, but only by implication ... ]]]]

The overt punch of preachers comes after the covert blessing from the teachers.
So it is more likely that you are a secret agent discipling the city leaders.

In Sheep Nations leaders have love and care for all people.
In Goat Nations leaders have love and care only for themselves.

Your perspective on a city often defines your assignment.
Your compassion for the lost.
Paul (A19) saw a city bound in the demonic so he demonstrated.
Divine appointments are you moving in the supernatural at the right time, right place.

The secular is not a "bad" place to start.
The Media is a powerful mind molder so the controllers strongly defend it.
But the Arts can be an equal opportunity area for the creative spirit.
The Arts are a secular escape to "rest" and "meditation".
A secular sabbath where minds can experience new possibilities.

Science and Business has space for you to be visionary,
(i.e. see what is required to be helpful to His Earth).
Execs in 7M businesses enjoy soaking and worshipping in problem solving prayer rooms.

Problem - distress - soak and rest - dream, see, hear or await His solution - develop and deliver.

Actualisation is finishing your assignment.
Clarity is your power - Passion is your fuel.
This passion is not from your love of money but your romance with Jesus.
Though natural riches will be seen in your life by onlookers.
It is important to know what will control you when you have big success.
If you fail and are controlled by ungodly forces upon success,
remember, you can learn from it, then start again !

Convergence is when your gifting, calling, destiny, will and success
is in alignment with your Father's.
It is the science of being in Jesus.
Go to your "Me" mountain, let Him change you to be in Jesus.
Then go to your work mountain, change its culture to a Kingdom culture.
e.g. one company employed widows on at the front desk
where they also operated in intercession and word of knowledge
to prepare for those coming to the business.

Initial articulation in Business/Science and Government mountain requires
engendering confidence from an authorised utterance.
Today's utterance is steered by tertiary education and self interest.
Success brings confidence in the prophetic utterance.
Purity in Loving His Presence and going to the Father,
listening to the "lesser" inputs in your life will give you a believers edge in puzzle solving.
Find strategies from Heaven to stop hell on Earth.
God's Angels partner "killer" David sheep!

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Some Gems from Wayne Jacobsen in "So you don't want to go to church anymore".

general topic of the book :-
How to move from system to relationship
It is set in a very readable story.

One is back under the law when the New Testament is presented as "principles".

Jesus is the best person to find you - even at your very worst and most unlovable - He truly knows how to Love you.

Wrongly do we give our affection only to those who serve our interests and with-hold it from those who do not.

Do you see how our definitions of Love get twisted when institutional priorities take over?

At times [of pressure] the group often splinters into new arrangements that will better serve one another's insecurities. After their bitterness recedes the cycle will begin all over again.

Worship and Prayer - CS Lewis style

It is in the process of being worshipped that God communicates His presence to men - C. S. Lewis

We may ignore, but we can nowhere evade, the presence of God. - C. S. Lewis

In commanding us to glorify Him,
God is inviting us to enjoy Him.
- CSLewis

If there is equality, it is in His love, not in us - C. S. Lewis

Where, except in the present, can the Eternal be met? - C. S. Lewis

Christianity is not, in the long run, concerned with either individuals or communities, 

but a new creature.
- C. S. Lewis

If God forgives us we must forgive ourselves
otherwise its like setting up ourselves as a higher tribunal than Him.
- C. S. Lewis

Very often the only way to get a quality in reality is to start behaving as if you had it already.
- C. S. Lewis

We must get over wanting to be needed [by people]
-this is the hardest of all temptations to resist.
- C.S. Lewis

If He who in Himself can lack nothing,
chooses to need us,
it is because we need to be needed.
- CSLewis

The descent to Hell is easy
and those who begin by worshiping power soon worship evil.
-CSLewis

If they are wrong, they need your prayers all the more
and if they are your enemies, you are under orders to pray for them.
- CSLewis

If you want to get warm you move near the fire.
If you want joy, peace, eternal life,
you must get close to what has them.
- CSLewis

Our worst prayers may really be our best.
God seems to speak to us most intimately
when he catches us off guard.
- CSLewis

The New Testament does not envisage solitary religion:
regular assembly for worship is everywhere in the epistles.
- CSLewis

Faith in Christ is the only thing to save you from despair
and out of faith in Him good actions must inevitably come.
-CSLewis

The hardness of God is kinder than the softness of men,
and His compulsion is our liberation.
-CSLewis

Christians don't think God will love us because we're good,
but that God will make us good because He loves us.
-CSLewis

God doesn't want something from us.
He simply wants us.
-CSLewis

I think we all sin needlessly by disobeying the apostolic injunction to "Rejoice".
-CSLewis

Joy is the serious business of heaven.
Our merriment must be between people who take each other seriously.
-CSLewis

Continue seeking God with seriousness.
Unless He wanted you, you would not be wanting Him.
-CSLewis

[OK, there are so many; follow CSLewis on Twitter]

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Being Filled

Being Filled with The Holy Spirit happens each time
one is open in the Presence of the Kouros (Master, Supreme Authority, Jesus).

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled."(M5)

A heart felt desire for more of that time and relationship with the Living Jesus is the key.

It is a believing from the heart more than from the mind of man.

"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues," (A2) (Peter included)

"Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, You rulers of the people, and elders of Israel," (A4) (Peter included)

"And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together;
and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost," (A4) (Peter included again)

"choose seven men from among you whom everyone trusts, men full of the Holy Spirit"(A6)

"(Stephen), being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven," (A7)


"that you might receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost." (A9) (Paul included)

"Then Paul, filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him." (A13) (Paul again)

"And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost." (A13) (Paul included)

"to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ,
and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—
that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God." (E3) (Paul included)

It is not once Filled, always Filled;
not a set and neglect automatic re- Filling !
One needs to re-hunger and re-thirst to be re-nourished or even re-inebriated.

Filled from the Promise of the Father, the Baptism of The Holy Ghost to receive Power.

One can be Filled during prayer in His Will.

One can see into Heaven while Filled.

One is chosen for trusted service while filled.

Pure Joy is a response to being Filled.

One can be a Filled for a specific interaction or assignment :-

Peter, Filled, to explain the healing of the beggar at Gate Beautiful to city and temple rulers.

Paul, Filled, to rebuke the obstructionist, know it all, wizard.

It is "Rivers in" to allow "Rivers out" of our inner most being of Living Water.

"We need to constantly refill because we leak."

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So completely New we have not the natural capabilities to comprehend how completely different is Grace.

NT scripture starts with The Grace of Daddy God dwelling in man.
It finishes with The Grace of Jesus Christ being continually with mankind.
It is filled with The Grace of The Comforter.
We can experience this blissed Grace of the Godhead .....
wow, yay, yes.
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God is Truly Lovely, Truly Good...
It is that personal revelation that turns my mind to the Beauty of You, Jesus.
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i HATE THE DEVIL so want to leave this note.    Jesus,       the highly anointed Son of the Living God died and rose again for you. When he arose and ascended into heaven, He sat down at the right hand of God. He qualified you 100% - for your place in heaven? - yes. But also for your inheritance in the Spirit. The Spiritural realm, the angels, heavenly visitations the chariots of God, a...re meant to be a normal part of your life -YOU ARE QUALIFIED-        you can't unqualify from something you never qualified for in the first place. So walk in your inheritance and be all He made you to me - You are not a sinner saved by grace.        You WERE a sinner saved by grace - but now you are a son and joint heir with Jesus Christ. Don't let the devil rip you off - He was a liar from the beginning --- pleasant dreams of beautiful chariot rides -they are yours too --------Kathie Walters

I don't know why people talk about "the prosperity gospel"? Like I said before, we have things to do and places to go - we have to prosper. Salvation, healing, deliverance, blessings, joy, prosperity are all INCLUDED in the Gospel message-

Some people want to hang on to their poverty spirit like a pet - like Rover the dog. Rover is comfortable -doesn't demand anything of your faith, don't have to ...stretch at all. But God wants to flow through us -love, joy, power, healing, deliverance, finances - God doesn't get glory from our need - He gets glory when we receive the Promise.
" All the promises of God in Him are yes and amen, to the glory of God." So sorry we had to let Rover go - he prevented us from doing a lot of things.         Blessings ,             Kathiewalters@mindspring.com

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From the Grace of Jesus in the last couple of weeks :
Prayed healing for a gut pain, gone within minutes.
Woke up with a sore throat, prayer, gone within an hour.
Cold sores tried to blister up, rebuked in the privilege from Jesus, lumps fizzed down.
Some days later virus tried to attack my sinus, healed. Virus tried to attack throat, did not advance.
Virus then tried to attack my lungs, coughed up some muck and felt a little energy depleted but cleared up so quickly ! I got swimming and jogging energy so die devil viri !
Nice little blessing : left pool with 2.5km jog home in the rain and it stopped after 50m.
So thankful to Jesus and His Victory ... yes.
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What do we want? An "accountability group" to move us; or the "unforced rhythms of Grace".
- heard @ Wayne Jacobsen "Living Loved seminar".
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"God goes against the willful proud; God gives grace to the willing humble." Ja4

he gives us grace potent enough to meet this and every other evil spirit,
if we are humble enough to receive it.
That is why he says: ‘God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.’
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The 1st headline to the New Testament of Grace Mat.1:1.
The family tree of Jesus Christ, David's son, Abraham's son:
(Lamb, King, Father)
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Obviously this law was not a firsthand encounter with God.
It was arranged by angelic messengers through a middleman, Moses.
But if there is a middleman as there was at Sinai,
then the people are not dealing directly with God, are they?

But the original promise is the direct blessing of God, received by faith. G3
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In that death, by God's grace, He fully experienced death in every person's place. H2

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Evolution.

"Having now reviewed several books written by evolutionists,
I am struck by their monotonic similarity to each other in many respects.
There is almost always only a superficial understanding of creationism and ID,
and very little original thinking among evolutionists.
It is impossible to escape the conclusion that leading evolutionists
are more interested in disparaging creationism and ID than they are in understanding it."
  - John Woodmorappe

Evolutionists can make mysterious statements backed up by this sort of language :
"Despite the unknowns, we can make some guesses about how natural selection fashioned ...."

Owing to the fact that reconstruction of evolutionary pathways among fossil organisms is an ongoing post hoc process, evolutionists can always change their story.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The Human appendix was used to indicate evolution in process ....
research now states .... : it has an important function as a “safehouse” for helpful bacteria,
so they can repopulate the intestines after dysentery.

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Why should an atheist like Stephen Hawking be considered an expert on theology?


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How did the DNA code originate?
The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters. What other coding system has existed without intelligent design? How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?

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Any fool can say there is no God.

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Atheist logic:
Adam and Eve weren't the first humans, because
unidentified, undiscovered ape-like creatures were.

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Dr John Lennox (author "God and Stephen Hawking) said:
Hawking is committed to the false idea that God gets smaller as science gets larger.

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‘Yet Gould [Stephen J. Gould—the now deceased professor of paleontology from Harvard University] and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils. … You say that I should at least “show a photo of the fossil from which each type of organism was derived.” I will lay it on the line—there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument.’- Dr Patterson (author "Evolution")

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How did life originate? Evolutionist Paul Davies admitted "Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell."

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Is there a link between evolutionary thinking and racism? Dr. Carl Wieland explains in this great article.

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The Recent African Origins (RAO) theory is on tenuous ground. It relies deeply on the Standard Neutral Model of evolution (SNM), but every assumption behind SNM and, therefore, RAO has been openly questioned in the evolutionary literature.

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Natural Selection is an expression of genetic diversity already within the species.
This diversity is a grace for species to adapt to an Earth that has fallen from its original glory. - BM

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Darwinism is a "mystery religion from the Victorian age." -- Ann Coulter

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Church & Kingdom

Church = Ecclesia = The Called out = The Named
Kingdom of Heaven(God) = Realm of Heaven(God)

Jesus is the one who builds the ecclesia.

Question asked : Who am I?

Revelation given : the Anointed Son of God.

Revelation expanded : I, Jesus, will build my Church on the Huge Rock of the Anointed Son of God

Promises given : You have the power to bring Heaven on Earth which will even invade hell. M16

The Supreme One, Kurios,(grk)(Lord)(Master) added those who were being saved to the ecclesia. A4:47(para-NLT)

... having gone (as you go), then, disciple all the nations, 
(baptizing them -- to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 
teaching them to observe all [the precepts I have given you], .... M28(YLT)  

Kurios tells Ananias to go minister to the blinded persecutor Paul who was 
"to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"

The remnant are those from the broken nation Israel under Roman occupation who, at the time of Paul, left trying to be justified by the Law, to be Elected by Grace. R11:5

The Gentiles were being saved en masse with the hope that more of Israel might be provoked to be involved in the Gospel of Grace.

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Joy is nothing less than merry, mirth, glee, ecstasy ! (What does this look like)

 (Image from Photobucket)

The Supreme Divinity has anointed You 
with the oil of exultant joy and gladness
above and beyond Your companions. Heb9 ...
"You" in this case is Jesus Christ.



Make a joyful noise unto The Self-Existing Eternal One, Jehovah,
all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.Ps98
... saints shall shout aloud for joy. Ps132
Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.Ps149
... counsellors of peace have joy [merry, mirth, glee] in their hearts.Pr.12
draw water out of the wells of salvation with joy.Is.12

The Self-Existing Eternal in the midst of you is mighty;
He will save, He will rejoice over you with joy;
He will rest in His Love, He will joy over you with singing.Zep.3

For the kingdom of heaven is ... 
... you enter into the joy of your Supremo.M25
... like treasure hid in a field that brings joy.M13

... Jesus lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
And they worshiped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy .... L24

the Realm of the Supreme Divinity is not [joy infused by] meat and drink; but
righteousness, and peace, and  
joy [exceeding cheerfulness, delight, gladness] in [infused by] the Holy Ghost.R14

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He transported me to His House of Wine ...
I am overwhelmed and undone by His unrelenting Love ...

Enliven me with Your chalice of wine
and refresh me again with your sweet promises ! (SoS2)

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(Eph5) : Be not drunk, methusko, drink for intoxication, imbibe to inebriate,

with wine,

wherein is luxury, in which is lechery {in which is luxury}, which leads to debauchery, for that is dissipation, which leads to wild living, which will only ruin you; which leads to reckless actions, that is living in a wrong way, which cheapens your life, [which is unsafe]
  
but ever be filled, pleroo, imbued, diffused, influenced, replete, crammed;
and stimulated with the Holy Spirit. 
[be not intoxicated with alcohol but be inebriated in The Spirit]

Speak to one another by the songs in the holy writings,
and songs of praise, and spiritual songs,
offering praise with voices {and instruments}. 
Sing and make a joyful noise in your hearts to the Lord.

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For whether we be beside; existemi, astounded, amazed, astonished; ourselves, it is to God:
or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.2C5


If I acted crazy, I did it for God;
if I acted overly serious, I did it for you.
Christ's love has moved me to such extremes.


If I am standing outside myself in ecstasy, it is because of God. (Heart of Paul) 

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“What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 
 Jesus answered and said to them, 
“This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” (J6)

[that's an easy believe,... some people try to make it look so earnest ! ] 


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‎"Christ is not the enemy of the damned. He's the finder of the damned." (Robert Capon)

When Paul says the law was "good",  he was referring to its role in absolutely demonstrating that we need the hero of Jesus Christ to qualify us in righteousness.

"...but the grace of God in Christ is able to ... bring man back to divine favor and assure him of eternal bliss." Rom. 5 (George Barker Stevens)

“Jesus didn’t come to MAKE Bad people Good but 

to MAKE Dead people LIVE!” -Ravi Zacharias

 

Legalism says Do and Grace says done~ 

Law says behave...Grace says Believe!!

Religious (re-binding) sayings believed & propagated by punters.

Front note :
The New Covenant is totally divided from the Old Covenant.
(H.S. rightly divides the word of truth).

… their hearts hold off and are far away from Me.

Uselessly do they worship Me,

for they teach as doctrines the commands of men. (M15)

.... they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. (1T4)

...  one is bewitched if one says one can receive the Holy Spirit by keeping rules. (G3)


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A sad selection of religious sayings:

"even Paul couldn't get his healing", "god kept him sick to keep him real",
then they quote : 2Cor12 ...........

but
it is not sickness; it is a devil messenger, a thorn, an irritation like an opposition heckler!

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"Does God lose his temper?
   Is this the way he acts?
Isn't he on the side of good people?
   Doesn't he help those who help themselves?"(Mic2)
(self righteous preachers, trying to justify shady land deals,
just before the Assyrians smashed Israel and later near smashed Judah)

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[This a big one where
the religious spirit rises up to say anyone who sins willingly 
has no further chance of forgiveness
because you are guilty of shaming and re-crucifying Jesus ... or words to that affect.]

Read Hebrews from the Mirror Translation (below)
to understand that Christ's sacrifice has perfectly and permanently forgiven one's sins,
(past, present and future).
Sins (big? or small?) are not done by mistake, they are always done willingly!
Christ's sacrifice can not be viewed as just an upgrade of the old testament legalism,
where one needs to, time after time, come to the OT altar,
with repentance and re-sacrifice the Lamb of God
(this is the thing that is impossible to restore).
Now, if one keeps sinning and knowing His forgiveness,
one is likened to a soil that receives showers but produces only thorns and thistles
which will be burnt rather than a soil that has a life giving crop.
One soil has hardship (reproached by this world or ignores the Comforter's Help),
the other is Blessed in His Pleasure,
but, both can be saved by holding onto the fact
that they are perfectly forgiven in Christ's single sacrifice.


WOW, WOW, WOW, no wonder it is called the Gospel of Grace.

6:3 So it is with God's prompting that we advance
(into the substance of what God has now spoken to us in his son, 1:1-3).

6:4 Now it may be that someone may clearly see the light (of the prophetic word)
and participate in the Holy Spirit by already having sampled the heavenly gift,

6:5 and they might even begin to feast on the beauty of the Word, already having experienced the power of the age of the promise that all were waiting for:

6:6 if such a person were to insist on relapsing into the old mindset of legalism,
it becomes impossible for him to be restored again and again to repentance
(as was the case under the shadow system of the law 
where sacrifices were repeatedly slain because no permanent cleansing was possible. 
See Heb.10:1-4. 
The principle of repeated repentance, as  practised under the law, 
would be impossible in the new dispensation, because it would 
absurdly imply that Christ was being re-crucified 
and subjected to public shame over and over again.)
[absurdly imply that (Son of God) Christ's single self-sacrifice 
did not powerfully and absolutely cleanse permanently forever all sin.]

6:7 For when cultivated soil is soaked by frequent showers and produces the useful,
life-giving crop expected by the farmer, God’s design and pleasure are confirmed.

6:8 What a complete disappointment, though, if the same soil
 produces nothing but thorns and thistles; it is a worthless yield,
and fit for burning: a dream that has gone up in smoke.

6:9 Having said all this, my dear friends,
I am fully convinced concerning you of much better things;
things that go hand in hand with salvation.

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"Jesus never spoke to a disease in His Life !!"

This is actually believed by some of the religious leaders with whom i was involved.
It was spoken straight at me in a raised voice to rebuke me :-)
when i was discovering the power of the spoken Word for healing,
i think the rebuke would have extended to "spoke to anything"
(because everyone knows it is silly to speak to things!?),
but they knew that might not stand up because the sea, wind, Lazarus examples
were more well known!

Here are 2 examples of Jesus speaking to diseases :

"But Simon’s wife’s mother was sick with a high fever, and they made request of Him concerning her. So He stood over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her.
And immediately she arose and served them." (Jesus in Lu4:39)

"Then they brought to Him one who was deaf and had an impediment in his speech,
and they begged Him to put His hand on him.
And He took him aside from the multitude,
and put His fingers in his ears, and He spat and touched his tongue.
Then, looking up to heaven, He sighed,
and said to him, “Ephphatha,” that is, “Be opened.” " (Jesus in Mk7:32)

[i wonder what would have happened that day
if i had insisted that spitting on the tongues of the dumb? :-))
"Jesus never spat on anything in His life"]

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Lev19:27 vs your latest haircut !
yet the following verse was used to condemn someone with a tattoo.

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I was condemned because i was operating in something they wanted to label as "hyper-faith",
whatever that is ! ; consider the hyper in "That they can have life more abundantly".
The chief labeler was commending his 3 point formula for healing to the people.
Firstly, God has given us natural healing ("it would be absurd to pray a splinter out" would be said; to lower expectation) so when that doesn't work ; God has given us people who have a medical understanding of the body (after all, Luke was a doctor) then if that doesn't work, get an elder to pray for your problem. He was usually given to these sort of words : "O Lord, 'So n So' has been your faithful follower (or servant), please heal 'So n So' in the name of Jesus."

Consequently supernatural healing was very much a rare affair, and many were carrying long term healing problems.

[Note well : i recommend all and any avenues of healing, depending on ones' believing heart.
Keep in mind, natural and medical healing does not always get it right.
My joy is fullest when my healing (big or small) is Holy Spirit given ... yay!!!]

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"Well don’t go lifting anyone’s hope now, will you."
Vs what ? 
Saying they will just have to get used to the fact that this is their burden to bear !

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What if you pray and nothing happens, you’ll look silly. 

Vs what? 

Not praying and missing a Jesus healing because of my vanity !

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"Jesus couldn't heal in His hometown, so why should we expect any better?"

He actually did heal everyone who came to Him.
He just didn't heal the big numbers that came to Him in other cities.
The big numbers didn't come because they were familiar with Him as a boy growing up in their town. 
Also there was a big vigilante group who wanted to kill him because He dared to fulfill a Messianic prophecy !

That will get a small number of healings,  every time ! hahe

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An old friend just reminded me that my old organisation used to say;
"if you're feeling down, just go and witness to someone,
that will make you happy again ! "

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and this at communion time.

"anyone not going on with the Lord,
[with some performance factor identified],
please let the cup pass."

"if you are not in our organisation,
(or in some problem (identified by the pastor ))
please refrain from operating the spiritual gifts."

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and these as being helpful :

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"we don't want young people, who haven't received the spirit,
to go to these activities until they can show that they are praying in tongues."

"if you have problems,
we can show you what success looks like,
so go and pray about it"
(the more helpful might give you encouragement on how to achieve success).

... nearly all easily identifiable sin was accompanied
with the "right to fellowship" restrictions,
where the sinner was sent into "the world"
for a period of time (the bigger the sin the longer the time),
until they had "learned their lesson".

(of course when the restrictions for sin were compared
between offenders, it was usually the offenders from
the most "useful" families, that did the least "time").

The sinner was not to associate with friends
inside the organisation
while in their de-fellowship period,
(sometimes, certain "trusted" people had access).

The hardline "pastors" were against any counselling,
or "spiritual" input (e.g. recorded talks) during this period.

Upon return further restrictions could be applied,
depending upon the offender's responses to the "pastor".
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hahahe - pretty helpful hey !!!

... usually the offender became more like a religious robot,
or ... left the organisation under self-condemnation
or problems from more sin.


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"We (your oversight) want to protect you from wolves.
Watch out for those that "heap to themselves teachers having itching ears",
otherwise you will be "carried by every wind of doctrine",
we can only move as fast as the slowest sheep,
so stay within our safe doctrinal bounds, they say".

Actually, Holy Spirit looks out for us there, as our "Guide into All Truth".
"You will know the Truth and The Truth will make you free."
"I am the Way, the Truth, the Life, ."
"Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?" He should have recognised Who is Truth.
Truth is the Person of Jesus.

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..."The elders decided that men and women simply were not capable of being free;
so the church ascribed to itself the protection of souls entrusted to it,
only to dispense it when absolutely necessary.  
Ordinary people could not endure the burden of freedom, 
so the church took it away from them for their own good.
They would only abuse and misuse it anyway.
Delivered from the anxiety and torment of personal decision and responsibility,
people would feel safe and happy in obedience to authority ...................
The question has become not "What does Jesus say?" but "What does the church say?"

Sad but true: Some Christians want to be slaves [to others].
[They think] it is easier to let others make decisions and to rely upon the letter of the law"...

[This excerpt from The Ragamuffin Gospel.]

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CONSIDER:


The seed (word) always needs to be planted with a true understanding of His Grace in us.

The Grace of Christ is the only good ground for life. (H13:9)

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The sales pitch of [any] religious,
political or academic organisation is that:

we are lacking;

we are inadequate;

we are distant;

It says:

"With more effort you might get there!".. 

Jesus says:

"Experience your completeness and rest in Me"

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+ [to be continued ... i will enter into the body of this post
more religious beliefs as i remember those from my past,
and those that are presently troubling the ecclessia]

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